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	<title>Comments on: Why Don’t More People Use SharePoint Workflow?</title>
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	<description>Innovative Process Solutions. Bottom-Line Results.</description>
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		<title>By: webfadds</title>
		<link>http://www.razorleaf.com/2009/06/more-people-use-sharepoint-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>webfadds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi -
Great article -- people need education in order to visualize the benefits, I think.  What do you think about the buzz that Google&#039;s &quot;Wave&quot; will give Sharepoint a run for its money?

- Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi -<br />
Great article &#8212; people need education in order to visualize the benefits, I think.  What do you think about the buzz that Google&#8217;s &#8220;Wave&#8221; will give Sharepoint a run for its money?</p>
<p>- Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my 2 cents:

Point 1 can be extended to include the business users - often (though not always) they don&#039;t understand their own processes either. When you start looking into what they need, you end up with fantastically complex workflow - which can be difficult in SPD.

Regarding Point 4 - Have you tried creating a Visual Studio workflow? Microsoft tried to drive folks down the route of using InfoPath forms for workflow interaction - but they suck! It&#039;s an amazingly bad development experience. Fields that won&#039;t populate, some that won&#039;t return data, some sections that return properties with values in, and others return XML. 

ASP.NET forms are (or at least were, last time I looked) basically undocumented, though there is a Codeplex project which might make them a viable solution.

God help the soul who tries to get modification forms working.

SharePoint designer - now it is better, actually, for simple processes and a &#039;business user&#039; type of user. Shame that the workflows can&#039;t be redeployed, so we can reuse them, or try them on a test system first.

We&#039;ve been using K2 for workflows. It&#039;s not perfect - but InfoPath works better with K2 workflows, ASP.NET workflow forms are easier to write, and we&#039;ve not had any problems with the host not doing things when it should.

So, I guess my experience has been problems with business overestimating their readiness to use workflows, and that the tooling that came out with SharePoint 2007 is less than ideal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my 2 cents:</p>
<p>Point 1 can be extended to include the business users &#8211; often (though not always) they don&#8217;t understand their own processes either. When you start looking into what they need, you end up with fantastically complex workflow &#8211; which can be difficult in SPD.</p>
<p>Regarding Point 4 &#8211; Have you tried creating a Visual Studio workflow? Microsoft tried to drive folks down the route of using InfoPath forms for workflow interaction &#8211; but they suck! It&#8217;s an amazingly bad development experience. Fields that won&#8217;t populate, some that won&#8217;t return data, some sections that return properties with values in, and others return XML. </p>
<p>ASP.NET forms are (or at least were, last time I looked) basically undocumented, though there is a Codeplex project which might make them a viable solution.</p>
<p>God help the soul who tries to get modification forms working.</p>
<p>SharePoint designer &#8211; now it is better, actually, for simple processes and a &#8216;business user&#8217; type of user. Shame that the workflows can&#8217;t be redeployed, so we can reuse them, or try them on a test system first.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been using K2 for workflows. It&#8217;s not perfect &#8211; but InfoPath works better with K2 workflows, ASP.NET workflow forms are easier to write, and we&#8217;ve not had any problems with the host not doing things when it should.</p>
<p>So, I guess my experience has been problems with business overestimating their readiness to use workflows, and that the tooling that came out with SharePoint 2007 is less than ideal.</p>
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		<title>By: Oleg Shilovitsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oleg Shilovitsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of sharepoint implementations are around shared file folders. This is how people getting sharepoint.  1/shared folders; 2/mysite; 3/message and mail notification. They didn&#039;t come to rest of the stuff. Also, I think this is too complex to understand. Also, MS is confusing users by multiple workflow tools: MOSS, BizTalk, Workflow Foundation. -Oleg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of sharepoint implementations are around shared file folders. This is how people getting sharepoint.  1/shared folders; 2/mysite; 3/message and mail notification. They didn&#8217;t come to rest of the stuff. Also, I think this is too complex to understand. Also, MS is confusing users by multiple workflow tools: MOSS, BizTalk, Workflow Foundation. -Oleg</p>
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